And one of the things I saw in the packet um as I Was preparing for That interview is they appear to have a much lower bar for what can make it onto their air than they do for what can make it onto CNN.com like their digital website the the defamation standard is the same you you don’t you know he has to prove the same whether he’s been defamed by an an anchor or you know a producer writing for the website but I was was kind of shocked at how lazy and lackluster CNN apparently is about what goes out on what most people know CNN
for which is its air waves all this internal correspondence which we’ll get to on how it’s like it’s very sloppy it’s full of holes but like yeah it’s fine for CNN we just we can’t put it on digital what do you make of that CN I mean you used to work at CN but what do you make of that yeah I think it’s a very interesting point I mean what is I think probably a bigger picture interest to me is this follows the big payout by Joel Stephanopoulos and ABC to Donald Trump which was 15 million whatever it
was you’re beginning to see quite big payouts for people who’ve said things on air on on cable news and now being held to proper account for it many people think that’s long overdue so I think that you people are probably having a very nervous time now in cable news the days are just saying whatever you feel like uh with no accountability for it they’re long gone and I think that you’re now seeing people on the receiving end going on the attack legally and exercising their right to say no this is wrong you’ve defamed me
and by the way if you do that you’re going to pay a lot of money and they’re all Running Scared they’re all settling you know the CNN Went to went to court to defend itself but the moment he got to punitive damages they they bailed because they knew it might be really high that figure ABC bailed in a way that I think horrified a lot of their staff but actually quite rightly because George epop has repeatedly in that interview uh repeatedly defamed Donald Trump and repeatedly said that he’d been
convicted of a crime he hadn’t been convicted of and if you’re going to do that I’m sorry it doesn’t matter who you are uh you know if you and I did that on our platform we would also be susceptible to people suing us for defamation there there shouldn’t be some sort of loftier than now rule that just because you work for one of the Legacy Media you work to different rules so I think the the worm is changing very quick here and people are being held it would have been really interesting in the Russia collusion Mayhem of the first
two years of Trump’s term in office if he decided to go after all those networks and all those journalists who perpetuated what turned out to be a complete myth for two years a he would have ended up extremely rich and B it might have nipped it in the bud because you at the time a lot of us were saying you were saying I was saying that this is ridiculous there is no actual hard evidence to support this and yet it’s dominating the news agenda now for for years and turned out to be a a nothing Burger of monumental proportions but a
nothing burger that caused Donald Trump a lot of damage and you know it would have been really interesting if he’ sued at the time about that stuff because it did turn out to be nonsense and he knew it was nonsense because he was the one that was being accused of it I know there’s been absolutely no proof of it you’ve got just this week well last week before the inauguration AOC saying I’m not going to the inauguration because I don’t support rapist that is a defamatory statement she didn’t make clear that’s opinion she
said it as though it were a matter of fact it isn’t and I really think he should give some serious thought to suing her she wasn’t on the legislative floor she was sitting in her apartment doing a little Instagram you can’t get away with that you can’t a term like he’s a rapist or he’s committing potential treason in working with the Russians like news organizations have just and politicians for that matter given up all the guard rails that that we used to observe you know we used to at least try to be more careful I still
try to be careful I’m certainly never trying to be Reckless out here I’m very relentlessly fact-based and not to say we’re always perfect but you know if you make a mistake you clean it up and you do it transparently I’ve seen you do that too there is an irresponsibility that’s taken hold of certain of our news organizations when it comes to Trump and politicians too it’s no accidents it’s usually about him peers that is really kind of unprecedented yeah it is and you’re completely right about AIC she brazenly repeated in a
private capacity as you say not on the floor of the uh house or anything like that she did it in her own home to the World on her account uh she put it out there repeating the exact same defamation that George copoulos had said on air that cost ABC $15 million so if you’re going to be that Brazen you know think about what a judge or a courtroom would make you that they’d say well you could hardly pretend you didn’t know this has literally been a massive headline grabbing settlement in the last few weeks and you’ve decided that it
doesn’t apply to you somehow you were on some Superior plane to George Stephanopoulos which allows you to call Trump a rapist uh and get away with it well if I was Trump I’d call her Bluff I’d sue her and by the way he’d win just like he did just like he did with ABC and so I I do think that you needs to have more of his accountability and and people will say what about free speech it’s not about Free Speech it’s a bit like what I said about the real life alleged stalker from baby reindeer if Netflix is going to put out I love
Netflix very successful company I use it all the time just to be clear but Netflix is going to broadcast a seven-part series which they say at the start of it this is a true story so every time you logged on to watch an episode this is a true story and then you say in that true story that Richard Gad who’s the writer and who’s the guy who plays himself in the series if you then depict him being forensically stalked by this woman who then gets convicted and put in prison and it turns out they claim has already
had a previous prison sentence and none of that is true then Little Wonder that she’s now taken out a massive lawsuit against Netflix but why would Netflix do that you know why would you call it a true story without a doing the due diligence or whether actually this was true or be worse you know it’s true but you don’t care and there’s a little bit of that about Donald Trump isn’t there well a lot of that about Donald Trump which is I think a lot of journalists feel they can say whatever they like
about him and that’s fine and I think what he did with the Stephanopoulos case is put a Line in the Sand and say right if you guys are going to defame me on on facts and you mentioned earlier you try and stick to facts you’re a you’re a lawyer by background I’m a newspaper editor by background we know how important fact are it’s not to say we’ve always been thoughtless ourselves but it’s to say we understand the importance of veracity we don’t come from the Megan Markle my truth School of bogus no we we
come from the facts are actual facts now you can then if you take a fact you can then comment as you wish about it you can interpret a fact any way you like you could be as opinion as you want right but what you can’t do is do that about something which is n true because then you’re just defaming people and a there’s no point in that because you lose trust with your viewers if you keep doing that if they know you’re saying one thing but actually it’s not true and you repeat that I think you’re pretty
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